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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 22, 2011 5:57am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

NC, you forgot to give us McCain's laundry list of top contributors for the 2008 election:

Merrill Lynch, $375,895
JPMorgan Chase & Co, $343,505
Citigroup Inc, $338,202
Morgan Stanley, $271,902
Goldman Sachs, $240,295
US Government, $202,929
AT&T Inc, $201,938
Wachovia Corp, $199,663
UBS AG, $187,493
Credit Suisse Group, $184,153
PricewaterhouseCoopers, $169,400
US Army, $169,020
Bank of America, $167,826
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher, $160,346
Blank Rome LLP, $155,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP, $147,437
US Dept of Defense, $146,356
FedEx Corp, $131,974
Lehman Brothers, $126,557
Ernst & Young, $114,506
According to their web site, "The Center for Responsive Politics is the nation's premier research group tracking money in U.S. politics and its effect on elections and public policy. Nonpartisan, independent and nonprofit, the organization aims to create a more educated voter, an involved citizenry and a more transparent and responsive government."

Please note that The Center for Responsive Politics funders includes $50,000 from The Rockefeller Brothers Fund (according to their own web site). This Dirty Money comes from rich billionaires! As of Sept 2011, The Forbes 400 Richest Americans lists David Rockefeller's net worth at $2.5 billion.

Nonetheless, I've listed several news headline items I found in a search of Democracy Now's archives that were reported by The Center for Responsive Politics:

15 Feb 2010 • Record $3.47 Billion Spent on Federal Lobbying in 2009
Despite President Obama’s call to curtail the power of lobbyists in Washington, new figures show a record amount of money was spent on federal lobbying in 2009. The Center for Responsive Politics puts the total at nearly $3.5 billion, a five percent increase over 2008. The pharmaceutical and health products industry spent nearly $267 million on lobbying, the greatest amount ever spent on lobbying efforts by a single industry. The Chamber of Commerce spent over $144 million dollars on lobbying, a 60 percent increase over 2008. Other big spenders on lobbying included Exxon Mobil, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, or Pharma, General Electric, Pfizer, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, AARP, American Medical Association, Chevron, the National Association of Realtors, and the American Beverage Association. Sheila Krumholz of the Center for Responsive Politics said, "Lobbying appears recession proof. Even when companies are scaling back other operations, many view lobbying as a critical tool in protecting their future interests."
04 Nov 2008 • Over $1.5 Billion Spent in Most Expensive Race Ever
Today’s vote ends the most expensive presidential campaign in US history. Candidates raised more than $1.5 billion during the primary and general election. This marks the first time a presidential race has topped $1 billion. Barack Obama alone raised more than $600 million as he dropped out of the public financing system.

Sheila Krumholz, of the Center For Responsive Politics: "The Obama campaign, in particular, has had incredible success. To give some perspective, Obama raised in just one month $150 million. That’s about half of what John Kerry raised in the last presidential election throughout his entire campaign. So there’s really no comparison between this cycle’s spending and funds dedicated to previous presidential elections. We’re on a different plane entirely."

With the fundraising edge, Barack Obama has been able to vastly outspend John McCain on campaign ads. A new study by Neilsen reveals that Obama ran 77 percent more TV ads last weekend in the key swing states of Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Both campaigns advertised most heavily in Florida. Over the past month, Obama ran nearly 25,000 ads in the state, nearly three times as many as McCain.
14 Aug 2008 • 2007 Record Year for Lobbying in US
New figures show congressional lobbying reached a new high last year. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, corporations, industries and other interests spent a record $2.79 billion last year. It was an eight percent rise over 2006, amounting to an average of $17 million for every day of Congress. The drug industry saw the highest rise, increasing its lobbying spending by 25 percent. Center for Responsive Politics executive director Sheila Krumholz said, “At a time when our economy is contracting, Washington’s lobbying industry has been expanding. Lobbying seems to be a recession-proof industry.”

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Oct 22, 2011 10:27am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

And your point?

Meet the new boss.... just like the old boss. But ask any of the media preferred protestors who they would vote for. Ask them if they would support someone who wants to eliminate the federal reserve which caused all this. Ask them if they agree with speculators and currency killers who escaped form nazi germany but have no problem with a fourth reich.

My point is that you can't have it both ways.

Obama speaks about cutting tax loopholes and making corporations pay their fair share while immelt sits next to him after GE made billions of profit and didn't pay any taxes.

Alec baldwin takes time off from filming credt card commercials to protest banks?

You have warrent buffet going around glossing over the fact that his tax rates is based on capital gains, not SALARY, and meanwhile his company owes back taxes.

Anyone is entitled to send a check to the treasury towards the debt, anyone want to guess how much these fighters for "social justice" have paid in to it above their required tax burden?

Also, just to clarify, taxes are OUR MONEY. WE give it to the GOVERNMENT. So when a politician says they are GIVING you a tax break they are just STEALING less.

War was bad before 2008... now assassinating american citizens and foreign leaders is AOK.

Gitmo was bad, now it's good.

Patriot act was bad, now it's good.

Big business is bad but big government is good.

Wall St is Pennsylvania Ave.

It's all a joke.

Nazi's and communists have both thrown their hat in the ring in support, it's all smoke and mirrors (don't look at the man behind the curtain).

Funny thing is, I won't call anyone of those proestors racist, or bigots, or a bunch of angry white people (like wisonsin was but don't tell ed shultz or he will walk of the stage).

I support freedom of assembly and won't call you unamerican.

I support freedom of speech and won't tell you that you cannot protest.

See the difference?

The left wing tries to silence anyone who disagrees, time and time again.

Doesn't anyone else see how ridiculous all of this is?

I don't think there is any hope, both sides are full of shit.

But have fun trying, it beats watching reality TV.


1.An activity or task with which one occupies oneself; usually specifically the productive activity, service, trade, or craft for which one is regularly paid.

2.The act, process or state of possessing a place.

3.The control of a country or region by a hostile army.


PS: I am getting out of the political debate altogether for health and scheduling reasons and just wanted to go out with a bang, so no hard feelings! I don't think anyone is paying attention that hasn't already made up their mind anyway... my heart and my hard drive already feel a lighter load.

This post was modified by NoiseCollector on 2011-10-22 17:27:38

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 30, 2011 7:04am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

NoiseCollector, Very well said!

I'm trying to clean up my insult and pissed off attitude. Wether I'm right or wrong, it is a turnoff. I do not LOL when someone is injured, but I had a sarcastic LOL when I considered the liberal spin put on it and the OWS basically blaming the police and touting the fact that he was a Marine Vet.
He chose to join a very uncool and illegal night scene and did not obey repeated warnings. Now he's some kind of hero! does anyone get it?

I'm sure a LOT of Oakland's Finest are Military Vets too. They have a difficult time keeping the high crime city of Oakland SAFE, for We the People. God bless the OPD

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 23, 2011 7:04am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

My point(s):

• Our Financial and Political Systems are Rigged and Broken (please read my documentation);

• The Global Financial Meltdown is the straw that broke the Camel's back;

• Wall Street Criminals are NOT being charged, tried, and sent to prison;

• The OWS movement has emerged from a climate of outrage over perceived economic injustices;

• We Are The 99 per cent that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1 per cent;

• Wall Street IS NOW Occupied by The People!

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2011 5:10pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

I read your post, did you read mine? You started talking about Mcain, like he matters or something. It would have made sense for the protests to be happening if he had one, then at least they would be consistent... but now the peope who overwhelmingly voted for him are out protesting wall street who helped put him in office.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Oct 28, 2011 8:10am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Look, I did not talk about McCain. What I mentioned was his list of top contributors, because you listed Obama's top contributors. When I listed this for you, I used the same source you used for citing Obama's list of top contributors: OpenSecrets dot org, a.k.a The Center for Responsive Politics.


Then I gave you three more sources of theirs documenting the record election spending for 2008, and record spending by Lobbyists. The Center for Responsive Politics is the source.

We agree: Our System Is Broken; Obama and McCain work for the 1 per cent Wall Street club; You and I are in the other 99 per cent!

This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-10-28 15:10:15

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Oct 24, 2011 4:34pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

That was kinda my point... I consider myself to be .000001%, all original angus.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 25, 2011 10:40am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Thanks for the info, Monte.

I share the OWS anger and applaud their rights to and subsequent protests, but part of me is pretty upset that these same protesters were no-shows for the 2010 Congressional elections, and allowed Tea Party Republicans--well funded by the likes of the billionaire Koch Bros., to put in position of power freshman Congressman who will NEVER allow a tax hike of any kind--especially on rich people--to go thru.

My question is: Where were these same people when Russ Feingold was getting voted out of Wisconsin & Gov. Union-Killer was getting voted in? Where were they when the seat to be filled by that moron dick-texter Weiner went Republican in NY? Or around the country in general in 2010 when the GOP took control of the House and nearly the Senate? They were upset b/c Obama turned out to be just another politician and not the savior who walks on water they all thught he was supposed to be? They were "discouraged" b/c he didn't fix all their problems? So their solution was to NOT VOTE and allow an even worse alternative to take the reins???

My point is: Protests are great, but ELECTIONS matter. All the clever signs and slogans and chanting are a wonderful way to let off steam but they won't bring about a retrun of the Glass-Steagall Act, they won't put in place the kind of perfectly reasonable regulations Elizabeth Warren has been calling for to keep the banks in line, and they won't prevent Tea Bagger politicians from trying to dismantle the EPA.

The choices are horrible on either side--but if these people are serious about change, there are grass roots Progressive candidates in every state in the country, and they'd be better spending their time trying to get THOSE people elected to office so change can ACTUALLY HAPPEN rather than having a bunch of drum circles for Fox News to make fun of and have business as usual resume once Pres. Romney gets the seat.


Let's see if the OWS movement actually makes a difference where it counts.

My 2 cents.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Oct 28, 2011 2:51pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

I'd bet you dollars to donuts that the percentage of OWS protestors who vote is higher than the national average. Why do you presume otherwise? And while I accept your point that elections matter, elections are not the only important political act. As UncleJohn said in another thread, they certainly have succeeded in framing the national debate, one way or another.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 29, 2011 6:01am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News


Seniors comprise the highest voting group in the nation. No one votes in greater numbers than those over 55. Citizens who fell into older age groups (45-64 and 65-plus) had the highest voting rates (69 percent and 70 percent, respectively in 2008, according to the US Census Bureau figures on voting rates). There are a few gray-hairs at OWS but let's face it--it's not an AARP movement.

and this from the NY Times: Voters under 30 were the only age group to support Democrats (in 2010) but made up just 11 percent of the electorate, typical for a midterm election. By contrast, voters aged 60 and older represented 34 percent of voters, their highest proportion in exit polls since 1982. Catholics, independents and voters age 60 and older also sided with Republicans by margins not seen since 1982.

Seniors in places like Florida and Arizona are the ones who are scared shitless by issues like health care ("Government get your hands off my Medicare!" is one of the classic Tea Party protest signs of complete and utter self-contradiction that emerged during the Obamacare debacle--held by a senior citizen and perfectly satirized in a week of Doonesbury cartoons that followed--and of course immigration, which plays like a violin to the fears of old white people, and is fueled by the likes of Fox News daily.)

My proof that young people didn't vote is evidenced by the 2010 Congressional elections, and the numbers show that young people stayed away in droves. (If the same people carrying signs at OWS did participate, Feingold would still be a Senator in WI. and there would be no GOv. Walker; and the tidal wave of ultra-conservative GOP freshmen ushered in to throw gunk in the machinery of Govt. would not have happened.) But they didn't--and it's no mystery why: Many people who were all hot for Obama and voted for him in 2008 were disillusioned that 2 years on the economy was still mired by Bush and Co.'s war spending, de-regulation-fueled Wall St. meltdown and record deficit, and took the classic "Oh, I guess voting is a waste of time" stance and didn't UNDERSTAND the importance of the numbers game that unfortunately rules Washington (i.e. If we have enough numbers to block any legislation from the other side from ever seeing the light of day we will)....thus--Scott Brown wins in Mass., and the GOP has enough votes in the Senate to kill any Public Option health Care bill and Obama caves on that, settling for a watered-down version that just delivers 30 Mil. more people into the hands of drooling insurance companies.

The proof is in what happened. The 2010 elections were a conservative landslide. I'm no pollster but I'll bet you dollars to donuts if you asked the young people banging on drums right now if they voted in 2010 they'd look at you blankly and say "no, man...but THIS is the revolution."

No, dude. It isn't.

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Nov 4, 2011 12:13pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News


How metaphysically uncreative!

Just say "you are stupid", "fox news sucks", and "occupy something".


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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 4, 2011 12:55pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

"Occupy everything" is still my favorite. I tried but I couldn't spread myself that thin!!!!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 4, 2011 1:00pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Mother, should I trust the government?

Oh, BTW, I just released summer stadium dates....

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 24, 2011 4:42pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Yea, ask Charles Keating - McCain doesn't matter at all. ...

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Poster: NoiseCollector Date: Oct 23, 2011 3:32pm
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Report Tax Evasion

Make sure everyone pays their fair share, like the people who exploit day labor from undocumented immigrants:

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Poster: garthus Date: Oct 26, 2011 7:21am
Forum: occupywallstreet Subject: Re: Occupied Wall Street News

Great job noisecollector and well-said.